...there is no real evidence that he ever existed

We disagree with Jane Kathryn Conrad's letter in view of the following: (Adapted from Appendix 6 of the book, Y'shua, the Jewish Way to Say Jesus.)

Josephus Jewish Antiquities (c.93 C.E.)
(later interpolations in brackets)

"Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man [if it be lawful to call him a man], for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. [He was the Messiah.] And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him [for he appeared to them alive again at the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him]. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this date.1



Pliny the Younger Letter to Trajan (c.111-117 C.E.)

"...they maintained that their fault or error amounted to nothing more than this: they were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before sunrise and reciting an antiphonal hymn to Christ as God, and binding themselves with an oath not to commit any crime, but to abstain from all acts of theft, robbery and adultery, from breaches of faith, from repudiating a trust when called upon to honour it."2



Tacitus Roman Annals (c.115-117 C.E.)

"They got their name from Christ, who was executed by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilate in the reign of Tiberius. That checked the pernicious superstition for a short time, but it broke out afresh--not only in Judea, where the plague first arose, but in Rome itself, where all the horrible and shameful things in the world collect and find a home."3



Sanhedrin 43a (200-500 C.E.)

"On the eve of the Passover Yeshu4 was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, 'He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostacy. Any one who can say anything in his favour, let him come forward and plead on his behalf. But since nothing was brought forward in his favour he was hanged on the eve of Passover!"5


Endnotes

  1. Antiquities xviii. 33 (early second century) from F.F. Bruce, Jesus and Christian Origins Outside the New Testament (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1974), 37.
  2. Pliny, Epistles x.96, from Bruce, p.26.
  3. Tacitus, Annals xv, 44, from Bruce, p. 22.
  4. Talmudic designation of Jesus.
  5. "Sanhedrin," vol 3 of Nezikin, Babylonian Talmud, edited by Isidore Epstein, reprint (London: Soncino, 1938), 281.

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Fivish

'Jesus' is a myth to support a pagan expression of Judaism in the post Henenist erra. Jesus the man became Jesus the God 300 years later by a show of hands at the 1st Vatican Council! The Jews then as now know for sure that Jesus is neither Messiah nor God.

Rodney

Surely this site (Jesus For Jesus) is a fulfilling of these bible text: Romans 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them (the jews) which fell, severity; but toward thee (the gentiles), goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. Romans 11:23 And they also (the jews), if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. Romans 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature (the gentiles), and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree (the jewish faith in Christ): how much more shall these (the jews), which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? -Shalom- R od4Truth Jeremiah 15:16

Bubba

Forgive me for not being an expert on the topic, but my question is was a Jesus a real man? I'm not talking about weather he is the savior or not, can someone share?

Matt Sieger

Yes, He did exist, as you can see from the quotations from the historical figures listed in the article above, as well as from the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, written by Jesus' disciples, who were with him for three years and were eyewitnesses of all that He did.
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Ted

Historians typically look for evidence that was written within one generation of when a person lived. For Aristotle and Homer there exists ~17 documents of this type. For Jesus Christ - thousands! His deity is not questioned in these documents.

Do the research - He is your Messiah!

Bless ings, Ted

wayne daniels

I am a gentile and have read the old and new testiment. The prophets all told of him and who he was. Isaiah 40:3 Micah 4:9 Zechariah 13:7-9 reference mt26:56 mk14:27. malichi 3 reference mt 11:7-10 mk1:2-4. these are just a few. Jesus was sent to us from God. He sent him self in the flesh to die for our sins. God gave a clear message and yet many did not believe. jesus christ is lord and savior.Amen

Nicholas

God's truth is supreme! You can only understand God's truth if he reveals it to you. Gentile nations and Hebrew people who never even practiced Judaism, now understanding and accepting JESUS is the Messiah of the ONLY true God, The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, have turned from there false gods and false practices to serve the Living God. The exact same God Judaism points to serve, and this is supposed to be a bad thing? I think not.

Malvina

Ted, Thank you for the historical fact. Fivish, Th e statement you've made that Jews don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah is incorrect. It was Jews who wrote the New Testament. There were hardly any Gentiles in Christianity for the first 70yrs after the Resurrection. In the year 2000, there were at least 250,000 Jews who believe and the numbers have been growing since. The miracles Jesus performed show His diety. I don't let the Vatican influence my opinions or believes. I've read and studied for myself and came to believe that Jesus is God! Fighting the Truth is not going to make it go away :)

Rachel

Thank you all for your comments. I wish you all much growth and peace in your spiritual journeys. I notice two things right away: 1. The passage cited from Josephus is widely thought to have been inserted at a later date by a Christian scribe. Its tone, word choice, and syntax in the original text are very different from other sections of the history. 2. The letter of Pliny indicates only that some people alive in 111-ish CE thought that some person "Christ" existed, not that he actually did. I present these observations not to discourage you in your religious path, as that is your business and G-d's, not mine, but only to help you think about how you know what you know. G-d love, protect, and keep you all.

Malvina

Ted, Thank you for the historical fact. Fivish, Th e statement you've made that Jews don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah is incorrect. It was Jews who wrote the New Testament. There were hardly any Gentiles in Christianity for the first 70yrs after the Resurrection. In the year 2000, there were at least 250,000 Jews who believe and the numbers have been growing since. The miracles Jesus performed show His diety. I don't let the Vatican influence my opinions or believes. I've read and studied for myself and came to believe that Jesus is God! Fighting the Truth is not going to make it go away :)

Chad

I was curious about the reference "On the eve of the Passover Yeshu4 was hanged..." that you have listed as coming from the Sanhedrin 43a (200-500 CE). Could this be referring to Messiah? After all, Christian tenants indicate crucifixion. Is there a reason for this difference?

Mandi

Read the book The Case for Christ by Lee Stobel. There is so much evidence to support that Jesus really did live, that He is who claimed to be (the Son of God), that He did die on the Cross, was buried and was resurrected! The evidence that proves Jesus walked the earth and is the Messiah is absolutely overwhelming.

Chris

Chad - you have to understand Deuteronomy 21:22-23. Y'shua was hung on a tree - the cross, by the use of nails. 'Hanging' implied impalement, and crucifixion is a form of impalement. Read Galatians 3:13-14 for more info.

David S. MacMillan III

"Jesus the man became Jesus the God 300 years later by a show of hands at the 1st Vatican Council!" The writings of the early church fathers show conclusively that Jesus was considered to be God since the very beginning. The Nicean Council met in the fourth century to solidify the idea that the four Gospels were correct and the Jesus was totally God, not just partly divine. The vote was 328 to 2.

Shira

I don't think this site even begins to provide proof of Jesus' existence, let alone his divinity. All of the passages are from well after he would have already been dead so I think common sense will tell most people they are not written by anyone who could have known him. Also, Flavius, the historian, wrote about all kinds of important things during those times, many of which are preserved today and highly respected as accurate. He never mentioned Jesus. Also, you can believe in Jesus all you want, but that makes you a Christian (follower of Christ). And to say that the Jews wrote the New Testament is technically accurate but not really an effective way of explaining it. The people that wrote the New Testament were only Jews UNTIL they began to believe in Jesus and then write the New Testament. Faith is a beautiful thing, you people should stop trying to ruin it for yourselves by attempting to base it on "facts".

dar.

I have heard the same argument for a long time by people of different faiths saying there is no historical evidence of Jesus. Besides the fact many people wrote about him. These are the same people that believe strongly in the story of Moses who i believe also exsisted but again other than the Bible there is no historical evidence for either. Jesus is the Christ and just because people don't believe him doesn't mean he is any less real.
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melissa

Shira, First and foremost, what a small god who has to prove conclusivley who He is. God, the Father, is under NO obligation to prove Himself to you or anyone. It is impossible to please God without faith. If you are looking for a reason not to believe, you will find one, how ever flimsy. Jesus the Christ left us plenty of information and facts to prove He was who He said He was. So you are implying that soley because the NT was written after His crucifixion, then they can't possible have known Him personally??? That's NOT common sense.
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melissa

conclusion: My grandmother has been dead for a number of years, but still I write about her in my daily journal. Does that mean you would argue that I never knew her personally? Don't tell me this is different, its the same principle. God gave all of us free will to choose. If anyone choses to deny Him, at least have a reason that can be backed up with facts, not like a lot of this blarney posted by some here who's only aim is not to "learn" but to cause distortion of scripture and doubt to those who are seeking.

Paul

The messiah was first promised to the descendents of Abraham. Why? It's because he passed a test...G-d asked Abraham to bring his only son up a mount and offer him as sacrifice to G-d. Btw Abrahams son Isaac and Jesus were both miracle births.(b/c Abraham and his wife were both too old to have children). THINK ABOUT IT!!!
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Mary

melissa: You wrote "First and foremost, what a small god who has to prove conclusivley who He is. God, the Father, is under NO obligation to prove Himself to you or anyone." Then we should get rid of this whole darn page! Imagine that! This whole page tryin to prove Jesus as God and he aint need no provin!

Scott

I can't beleve that you, the most vile of the anti-Jewish missionary movements can't come up with one reference to Jesus in literature during his lifetime. Nor can you come up with anything, other than the New Testament, which was written a century or two after his supposed death that is written by a person that claims to have seen him. I wish you'd leave us alone.

Marcello

"Jesus is here now in everyone. He is LOVE. He is Wisdon. He is himself. He never try to prove himself. He save us. He is the living God, back then, now and always. Our Beloved Lord doesn't need to prove anything. He give us blessings, not to prove anything but to show how the Word of God works. In a road one always have to choose the way, some use the denial as a way to distorce the reality. In my suffering I'd been blessed, in my happiness a felt the Love, it opened up my eyes and I took the choice. Jesus is the only choice, I want in my life. Nobody is loving a different God, because Jesus the Son of God is God himself. One God, One Love, One Truth. The Only way to the Father. "The First will be the last and the last will be the First."
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Jason Casper

Hi All, To add to what Rodney wrote, I also have to share this in Hosea 3:4-- "4 For the Israelites will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones, without ephod or idol. 5 Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They will come trembling to the LORD and to his blessings in the last days." To me, this shows that Israel would be without temple, without proper worship according to the Law since they couldn't offer sacrifices, etc. But it also says that in the last days a they would return to God and to David their King--Jesus. You can't return to something or someone unless you turn away from them first. Today, we see many Jews returning to Jesus just as all of the things Jesus said to look for as signs of the times leading to his return--earthquakes, floods, wars and rumors of war, disease and pestilence, famine. Love, Jaso n

Joshua

Jesus appears with his mother and father on the offical census by the Roman government around 3 C.E. as a child. Was this man divine is the question. This is where your faith comes in. Your faith does not need to be "proved" to anyone. This is one of the key teachings of Jesus, and many others before and after him. All these spiritual men and women had one key element to their teachings that we as "civilized" people have forgotten: HATE will only make stone the heart of the person you are trying to reach, it only through LOVE and understanding and acceptance, not only of your beliefs but those too of the person you are trying to reach, will real change and peace come about. Too many Christians and Jews alike need to learn this lesson before making comments on any situation reguarding religion. To understand this is to understand the greatest gift of G-d, your free will.
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William

There is a second witness of Jesus Christ other than the New Testament. It is called The Book of Mormon. If You would like to read it, or learn more about it go to LDS.org.

Bob

This is good news...Jews for Jesus! I pray that the Holy Spirit be with all of us uniting us as one, each will travel their path but the companion will be there to comfort each one of us.
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Saul Boubert

Jews for jesus... What beautiful thing it is when the house of isreal (jews, hebrews) now accepts their LORD. Forget theology and all that is, "the study of GOD". Common knowledge tells us that a supreme being is at work. and that being is GOD. For he so loved the world he gave his only begotten son the scripture says. and for those who don't belive in the new testiment, can show you many scriptures in the old testiment that fortold of CHRIST'S coming and how he would die for jews and genttiles alike. and if you're still not convinced, heres something else you can also do. inquire of the LORD GOD of hosts and he shall reveal himself to you in his full glory and you shall se the lamb of GOD sitting at the right hand sight of power and then you shall know that there is a GOD among his people. JEWS FOR JESUS to me is not a religious thing but what they are to me are bretherens who now see the way the truth and the life. which is Y'SHUA
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metatron

Whether or not Y'shua lived and died as it is written.. the story as told in several places is compelling. As archaeological digs continue around Qumran and especially Mount Carmel there will be more discovereis that shed light on this pivitol moment in history. Outside of the canonical gospels I especially enjoy the mystical sayings in the Gospel of Thomas. For the doubters here I will quote one saying: His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?" "It will not come by watching for it. It will not be said, 'Look, here!' or 'Look, there!' Rather, the Father's kingdom is spread out upon the earth, and people don't see it." And from Luke 17:20 Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation,nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you." Mazal Tov

Wardell Lindsay

Jesus existed! He was born in 100 BCE during Maccabean Times in the reign of King Alexander Jannai and Queen Alexandra Salome. The Jesus Family Tomb is in Talpiot Israel. It is a Maccabean Era Tomb, 1st Century BCE, Not 1st Century CE. Jesus is the Teacher of Righteousness of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Jesus the Nazarene is also called Jesus ben Pandira in the Talmud. Jesus was a Jewish Leader whose Teachings are revered by over half the people on earth. The Kingdom of God will come when these people practice what Jesus preached: Love thy neighbor as thyself.
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Charles V.

The article is great in the fact that it tells us of the witnesses in 93 C.E. However, it does not really give conclusive evidence. Is there evidence of the encounters of Jesus with the pharises and saducees?

Brandon K

If we're talking about ancient bio's...93CE is an AMAZING DATE. ONLY 60ish years after death!! Tiberius (Ceasar during Jesus life) has 4 major bios we follow, only one contemporary -but least reliable- and the rest (the most reliable sources on Tiberius) written HUNDREDS of years after the death of Tiberius himself. If you check on the scholarly reviews (critical and skeptical alike) of ancient literature, biographies written within a lifetime of the subject is INSANE. Dr Gary Habermas has extensive research that makes belief in Jesus' life AND resurrection VERY reasonable.

Matt Sieger

Charles V., The Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) themselves are evidence of those encounters.

Marietta Redman

Bless you J4J for sending me this publication. You are great on the Internet and every where else. Keep it coming. Marietta Redman

BK

Charles:

Why would people who despised the Man write about him? They wished he had never existed because he told it as it is.

Many people could not read at the time. Even less could write.
They relied on their leaders to tell them the law which they had already distorted for their own gain. Very similar to Muhammad.

He said he was going to write His law on their inwards parts, not the Torah. A new covenant, not as he made with our fathers when he brought them out of Egypt. The proof is the Holy Spirit you find walking amongst you. Ask one of them and you will see the beauty of this Gift.

If it obvious who is actually doing the WILL OF GOD.
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marouane

please look up at the oneness of the god; its the clear evidence, we believe in moses and jesus

Mike

Jesus Exists.
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Archangel

Yes He did and does exist. You want want proof? The miracle in Buenos Aires on YouTube and in so many other modern miracles. I'd like to see what you say to Him when He returns!

Rorsters

Quoting Archangel:
Yes He did and does exist. You want want proof? The miracle in Buenos Aires on YouTube and in so many other modern miracles. I'd like to see what you say to Him when He returns!

I'd like to hear

I'd ask him to explain himself.

dewey aragon

Let the dead buried their own dead... without Jesus.. you're dead as in..D E A D !!!
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linda shearman

Jesus existed
Jesus exists
Jesus WILL ALWAYS EXIST!
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June

Question re:
Sanhedrin 43a (200-500 C.E.)

"On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For FORTY DAYS before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, 'He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostacy. Any one who can say anything in his favour, let him come forward and plead on his behalf. But since nothing was brought forward in his favour he was hanged on the eve of Passover!"


I don't understand - 40 days before he was executed?But the Bible says Jesus was executed right away after the sentencing - not after 40 days.
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Archangel

Using CE and BCE is disrespectful. I won't consider replying to posts that do not use BC and AD. And neither should you!
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