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Marshall Gordon

If you ask any of the "experts" who opine here on the meaning of Hebrew and Aramaic words, you will find that none can read either language with understanding. These (fallacious) arguments are recycled defensive attempts to explain why a doctrine as fundamentally important as the trinity is never explicitly stated in the Torah. Nor, by the way, is it ever so stated in the New Testament, Christianity's sacred book.

Linda Randolph

*King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) 1 Corinthians 1:27
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;


Just because the word "Trinity" is not used in the Torah does not mean that the doctrine does not exist. It IS mentioned, and the only reason that you are not seeing it is because you are looking at the Torah through anti-Trinitarian glasses. Even without appealing to the echad/yachid distinction, we can see the Trinity in the Old Testament simply by paying close attention to the fact the God refers to Himself in the plural 4 times and the fact that both Jacob and the parents of Samson both said that they had seen God when they saw the Angel of the Lord.

Only a person who has not seriously studied the New Testament would say that it doesn't mention the Trinity. It does, VERY explicitly. Let me drop a few verses for you, and you can look them up for yourself: Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14, 1 Peter 1:2, 1 John 4:13-15, and many more


Do yo know mat 28:19 is a known RCC fraud?

Do you know gen 1:26 speaks about the ongoing creation process of man? God created man from the dust, and later commands to multiply. The 'us' really is God and man together. If you have a child you participated with God in this creation process. You have intercourse, but it God who gives life. The 'us' is really not implying a plurality in God, this is a lie and deviates from Jesus belief. Jesus says God is One, YHWH, the God of Abraham Isaac, and Jacob. The human Jesus is His Son.

Do you know that the Holy Spirit is NOT a person within godhead? It was voted for in a counsil in the fifth century, with people in the council who knew nothing of God.

Also nowhere are we required to believe this trinity, or that Jesus is GOD. Always Lord, and Son of God, and portrayed as a glorified man.


Genesis 1:26


Evangelical Christian author Gordon J. Wenham, who is no foe of the Trinity and authored a widely respected two-volume commentary on the Book of Genesis, writes on this verse,

Christians have traditionally seen [Genesis 1:26] as adumbrating [foreshadowing] the Trinity. It is now universally admitted that this was not what the plural meant to the original author.

Ruth Rosen

If that is the case, the commentator is using the phrase "universally admitted" incorrectly.

Rich Robinson

@Marhsall - really now? You happen to know that no one here can read Hebrew or Aramaic with understanding? Did you have personal interviews with them? And re: New Testament, would it be fair to say that you cannot read the original Greek with understanding? Forigve me, perhaps you are an expert in all three.

Karim McHorgh

Good Day
The scriptures don't teach that God is three persons and does not in any way imply such a doctrine. The scripture actually teachesdiferr the nature of God in the new testament, exactly as it did in the old testament. The Bilble explict explains that the difference between the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost is different in manifestation and nt in person.

Here is a popular scripture 1 Tim 3:16 For God was manifested in the flesh (note not God the son but the same God of eternity).


Do you know the word "Godhead" is mention in the bible? Godhead simply means the Holy Trinity of God the Father, Christ the Son, and the Holy Ghost. God's Nature had been showed through the Gospels and most popular is the Baptism of Jesus. Matthew 3:16-17 witnessed the Godhead(Trinity) of God. Voice from Heaven is the Father (1), Jesus is the Son (2) and the Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit (3), All part of the Trinity. Father, Son and the Holy Ghost are God. Three persons but Just One God.

Nancy Hill

You are correct Karim McHorgh. The early churches' only creed was 1 Tim. 3:16. The early Chrisitans were classified theologically as practicing and believing "Modalistic Monarchianism (sp.?) This is bascially the same doctrine of the "Jesus Only" Christians of today. They believe in one God Who manifests Himself in three different ways and do not believe in God as three distinct persons. The Pentecostal denomination of the United Pentecostal Church believes this way as do many Bible believing independent Christians in the world. This is the true doctrine. Tertullian was one of the first to bring in the trinity doctrine partially from Greek philosophers. Glad you have understanding on issue. Blessings to you.

Alvin Krieger

The truth is God's word. the Shema. Jesus quoted this in Mark 12:29. The scribe said to Jesus , 'You truly stated that He is one ; And there is no one else besides Him." Jesus knowing how this Jew believes in God, didn't rebuke him when he said this to him. In fact Jesus saw that the scribe answered wisely. Mark 12:34. Therefore Yahweh, God the Father is the One and Only True God. Even Jesus said to the Father, in John 17:3. "To know thee the only true God. Who's Jesus then to me? Peter said it well in Matt16:16.


Three Persons in the Godhead?
In the OT??
We need look no further than the Shema itself:

"Hear, O Israel: (1) the Lord, (2) thy God, (3) the Lord, is ONE."

Did you hear? The Shema is practically shouting to all who will HEAR, that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is indeed a tri-unity!


Indeed, the word ECHAD, just like the word ONE, can imply either a compound unity OR a simple unity. Let's use an easy example, "one dinning room set" is made up of multiple pieces, or "one chair" is just that, one chair (simple unity, there is only one chair). The Shema is saying, "YHVH is OUR God (not thy), YHVH is ONE." Since many times throughout the Hebrew Bible, God is described as "Sharing his glory with NO ONE", or "You shall have no other gods on My face" or "in the heavens above and on the earth below there is nothing else", it is obvious that the God of Israel is saying that God is a simple unity. You need context, and that only comes from critically reading the whole Hebrew Bible as a whole. If you don't do that, then it is easy to be led to believe that "ECHAD" means 3!


i have a question. i've been a lil bit confused. the bible tells us to worship and praise God alone. but people worship and praise Jesus. but at the same time when we say thank you to Jesus we have full acknowledgement of God and we of course are thanking God for what he's done. that none of this would be if it wasnt for Him. i'm sure some people will insult this. some people can't lovingly advise you. but yes just some advice. i'd prefer sricptural evidence and open minds please.

Ruth Rosen

When the disciples asked Jesus how to pray, His answer had them addressing God the father. Jesus also said, Whatever you ask the Father in my (Jesus) name. And the Bible tells us that sometimes when we pray, the Holy Spirit expresses what we want to say to God but do not have words for.
Prayer can mean alot of things. In a sense, everything we say to God is a prayer. Praising God in a sense is a prayer. It is appropriate for Christians to praise Jesus. But the Bible indicates that our prayers (as in petitions) are addressed to our heavenly father, and we are free to do this because of Jesus (in His name) and that His Spirit sometimes guides us in prayer. Is that helpful? Ruth Rosen


Apostolics believed that God is One. Not all Christians are trinitarian.



Anthony Buzzard

The word one is a mathematical term! It is the cardinal number. Are you seriously saying that Jesus, agreeing with a Jew in Mark 12:29, was proposing a Trinity? Is that what a first century Jew believed about God? It is just false to say that ECHAD implies a plurality! Any noun in the universe can be modified by ECHAD! Echad means one single, only one and not more! "Do we not all have one Father? Has not ONE GOD CREATED US?" Father = God 1300 times in the NT..


"for there is ONE God, the father, from whom all things came", 1 Cor 8:6. Paul made it simple for us. Why is everyone so inclined to make "the man" Jesus into the one he served? God is not the author of confusion. Your family and your church may tell you that jesus is Yahwey, but your bible will not.

1 Tim 2:5, "there is ONE God, and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus."


God is a Spirit (John 4:24, 2 Corinthians 3:17) and as such nobody has ever seen God and and nobody can see God (1 Timothy 6:16, 1 Timothy 1:17). A Spirit has no bones or flesh (Luke 24:39). God has revealed and manifested Himself in different forms to humankind (as creator, as sustainer, as healer, as provider, as savior, as Almighty God, as Mighty God, as ...). In Exodus 6:2-3 this Bible truth is expressed clearly that the same God can reveal Himself in different forms and even under different names in different circumstances. That is the Bible teaching which is far away from church fathers thoughts and opinions. In Jesus, God revealed Himself in human form.The important question is why God had to manifest Himself in human form? See next comment.
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